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Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« on: June 25, 2009, 10:23:07 PM »
salam

i wanted to discuss long back .... but i didnt have tym earlier ..i hope u'll share ur thoughs about this and help us sout through this...

when ever i hear a balochi song...i try to search the meaning behind it ....but most of d tym ,,,i am disapointed ....

y do most balochi songs talk of baseless ideas ...love...(love is perfect) but the meaning driven from it is so baseless...

i mean there are no moral values in the songs we hear...

except for those songs that talk about the nation ....

other all a meaningles... ... byaare sharaaba,..... or somthing like ...mani del sotka kababe....

and even worse like
supadi o pane...Allah mehrabani .....

NOW WAT MEANING ALL THESE HAVE BEHIND ???

im nt saying one shouldnt sing love songs ...painfull songs....but something WITH SENSE......
its OK to be silly sometyms..but HERE ALMOST MOST OF THE SONGS ARE LIKE DAT....

this is effecting our youth definetly !
their mindset... their aims...their purpose of living....
now things are better with the revolution....but still those things are there....

and above all.... THE CHILDREN..... wat our children learn .... hena hena henaye..hena dard-e dawaye......

is dat wat we're here for ??

a feeling of pittiness blows through me when i see those kids in video clips acting roles which they dunt even understand.....

a child is a clay in ur hand..it takes d shape... u shape it....

y aint dere songs about parents....
y not not about children ..y not about dreams....y not ...y not....((d list goes onn ))

for changing something in mass......it is very important that each and every individual has a positive change withing himself.....

when i try searching about baloch anywhere...the first things that come up are those songs...

even when i meet new ppl ( NON BALOCH) ..and i tell then that i am a bloch ...THE FIRST THING THEY TELL ME IS .........OH I KNOW SHAH JAHAN DAOODI'S SONGS..... and when they come to know me more.


and the only thing that makes those songs called songs is that they have a tune....



** plz note**

i am not talking about all the songs....there are good songs also...but what i want 2 say is ..y is the MAJORITY on the wrong line of music.... ??

ur views will be appreciated .....

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Re: Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2009, 04:49:27 PM »
Balochi songs meaningless coz of singer its not fault of poet.  When we debate abt this they just answer public demand.............. Public.... Many time myself confuse who is public, me n you, y they don't   count in Public.... Y they just count these person who like Hina Hina.
Now they are using one beautiful word place of Public Demand "MARKET" in Market they count only "LADIES".... I m not discussing every Singer and not mentioning any name...
Better to ask singer may b u get ur answer...
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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2009, 09:04:29 PM »

[pullen_salaam]

Baz wash en Topic e Banok  Nazgol aa bongeej kota...Mashalah

perfect serf allah a zaat en,,, e ganaya department chun bit perfect,,,

insan ama cheza zarorata mehsos kant ama a shohaaz o amaea loot a kant,,,

mardom k reason o meaning a shohaz a ganaye gosh dare gora a ama pam en ganae gosh bedaar e k aea satisfy bakant o aea maane daat baka,,

e gana k borza mentiona ,,hana hana hana en ya e daga eshane zarorat aarosea sara bit kant wahde eke salaonk e ya banoor a benazene aam wahda eshane goshdarag hum wash nalagit

Brath askane Singer Shaer a shaar'an goshet Shaeer hum malamat en equally aa aga koum w toka negative chez bearet o daga gap e hamesh en k baz sarpad en singer bant o baz talagen

baly e trend sak kam boaga e anug en gana ya sout baloch raaj a aagh kanaga wsta goshag boaga ha o zarorat  hum anug en ame cheza ge..

baloch raaj a shaeer nu ame kara baazjowan en wadea dima baraga haa o wate kastrena shar en wadea sarpaad kanaga haa o ahane toka positive changes pidak en hum hamdullilah

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2009, 11:06:11 PM »
thnk u for ur views first of all ... :)










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perfect serf allah a zaat en,,, e ganaya department chun bit perfect,,,

insan ama cheza zarorata mehsos kant ama a shohaaz o amaea loot a kant,,,

mardom k reason o meaning a shohaz a ganaye gosh dare gora a ama pam en ganae gosh bedaar e k aea satisfy bakant o aea maane daat baka,,

e gana k borza mentiona ,,hana hana hana en ya e daga eshane zarorat aarosea sara bit kant wahde eke salaonk e ya banoor a benazene aam wahda eshane goshdarag hum wash nalagit






i agree dat songs that are meant for marriage purposes are fyn ...

and as u say brother ::A PERSON SHOULD LISTEN 2 WAT SATISFIES HIM ..((i hope im correct))

and here,,,.... thats wat my point is....y arnt dere songs to satisfy all kinds of ppl...

ppl who a interested in listening to ::(( BYAARE SHARAABA ))can listen dat
and then other also need 2 be satisfied...

i duno but i felt dat my point is nt clear....

ok lemme put it this way

IS IT RIGHT TO MAKE CHILDREN LISTEN 2 SUCH SONGS ????

even teenager....the once who dont have a charector ...grasp anything that comes into there life...
and then IS IT RIGHT TO THEM ....THIS LIFE...THE LIFE OF SHARRAAAB...THE LIFE OF BEING BACK OF BEAUTIES..AND AMDIRATION THAT ENDS IN KILLING and DESPAIR ???

i just want 2 get 2 the point...that WE need SONGS for children...FOR YOUTH...to be guided on the right path....

im nt here to accuse any of the singers....neither the fans of those songs...


each person knows wats gud for him and wats not....
but some innocent souls are to be guided right...out of dose thoughts ........




i never had access of balochi songs ( or songs in general) b4...
wen i was searching for songs for my bro's marriage.... 98% of the songs dat i found were .................
so i was quiet disapointed about that...
and finally in youtube...i found a song where a small boy (hardly 5) had 2 act a role of a man whose love was getting married 2 another guy.....
what has this child to understand with all that...
it will have a impact on his life definetly ......


i hope im clearer now.....

and im not asking them to be perfect..but there is no harm in trying to be.....

when we search for songs of any other language..we do finds such aimless songs...but there are ALSO GUD SONGS...for children...for youth ....


dere r songs dat i found gud for children...like the one (( kasanoke askalok jangala tare...))
but we dont have any sources to find these songs...
and the singers now ..never sang such songs and put them into cds in market ....


looking forward to more views :)

nazgol askani  E|



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Re: Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2009, 01:12:36 AM »
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Sharab a naam a esh knaga hch nabit baly a gowando wahd e bosuch e singera chea wasta goshta "beara sharab a" nu........

wahde aa zahn e hawalaha shaare o haraabea fark kot bka a wate zahna wate janda sharea nimaga baart

kastrena sarpad bka k kojam chez harab en o amencho geshtr knowldge b bit harabea o sharea shar'trent baly a gowandoa experience e chezane kanaga mouka marasit a society a kar en ksho kara mardomane kaar en...

bada o sharea amencho knowldge geshtr b bit insaan raad kam waart..

e raast e k gowandoane ama hane jo age a souch en aha ma shaeer o ma singer focus baaz kam kanant...

Ma gowand en chukane entertainment freeze bit dima gantr bit pesha aga ma mastrena laib o gowazaea wasta mara e daga gana goshtaga nu wat anchu  bazaga o dard wara k wate gowwandoane zahn sarea e cheza ear kana k tae koum bazag en tra maat en watan e hast k bandeeg en... ma gowandoane wasta bs e gap hast e gana hasta k aha motivate bakana wate maksada nimaga,,,,,
lala mane lala mane to zut ka borod warna bu bo,,,,balach bu bu koha bagard.



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Re: Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2009, 03:41:50 AM »
salam to all

Yak rande man yak gushandahe ara just kut ke shuma ae wadein be'faidahein saut chia gushe?
mana hame jawab daate ke Market hameshane'inth.
man just kuth ke Ae Kujam market inth Baloch market ya Pathane Market inth?
mana Jawab daate ke ziada Pathane market inth kammo baaz Baloch market inth..
("Ae gap anchen'anth ke Lahtein Mardum Sarpad Bith ke Pathane market Kujaminth")
Pada man just kuth ke Ae shairana Shaair Chon nibashta kananth ahana Laj nabith?
Gushte ke Maa shaairan'aan gushan ke Shuma ae Dune sara shaire Nibashta bikane aa pada hame dune sara shair nibeshta kananth o Pada aahani ham "NAAM" dema Kaith..

Diga ham anchein baaz man just kut bale idha man aayan post nakani...


Lahtein shaair ham wathi naame dema aarage wasta shair dianth o Gushendahe Zaroorat ham poora bith o Pathane Market ham sharria Hallet.

Bale Noo pathane Market e Hisabi rochant.. Lahtein gushendah'an sharrein shair gushag bindaat kutag. Demtera Market Balochi bith................. 

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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2009, 09:37:42 AM »
Listen omani songs they are way better then these. BTW Shair sharran Bas music or dhun ishani yek en wadan yan. Basit Baloch ha sense ya Singing and Music eh aahiye song wash teran.

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« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2009, 11:35:31 AM »
Interesting :)

Bibi Nazgol.. Really a nice topic.. yeah u r right.. there are really really bad balochi songs out there in the albums of these artists...as u rightly said many song do not make any sense..


Generally.. it is not really possible to satisfy each and every listener.. for example.. a brother quoted tht u shud listen to the Omani songs they are much better than singers from Balochistan... well for me.. omani songs are like premature babies born out of cross and illogical genetical modification and fusion of balochi lyrics (generally by immature poets) and arabic tunes and they are not only senseless but irritating too...

Our artist, specially when they issue an album, are guided by the market which is driven by the demand.. while the objective of producers (wash mallay, BMC and GJ..etc) is to maximize their profits.. So they will definitely ask these singers to sings songs which are in demand.. and unfortunately again the songs tht may be useless for u and me are actually liked by others..

Unfortunately there is no system of copyright.. royalty rights in our music market... our artists do not get any share of profit or royalty or share of profit from sale of the albums.. they get only a one time pay to do the albums.. so from the artist perspective... they are not bothered about the market in the short term.... we can feel the difference  when the same singer singing in a private function.. a ghazal night.. they sing with good original balochi tunes and lyrics from good poets..


U also mentioned and quoted an example of using children in balochi videos.. i think.. our artists are also restricted with some cultural taboos.. as matured artists cant play such roles... so they found a way out to show kids in the marriage set up.. hmm personally i think thts ok... even before these videos.. children use to play " Duttuke seer" ..

Regarding... Sharabi songs... i think as rightly mentioned by brother Asad.. parents here has to play a role to guide their children whenever they came across something which they feel is not appropriate for children.. they may switch if off or explain the contents.. like parental control type of thing


In short i m hopeful.. with conscious and meaningful  critic coming from the audience like u who understand the need for a sense in the songs .. this demand will change.. and the producers and artists will be forced by the new demand.. to change these non sense songs.. and with new production houses like "zemer" and " Zamor" and directors like Dr. Hanif Shareef and Khair Jaan.. we will get songs and videos which actually satisfy us... and this change is now visible... specially in videos.. from some artists from lyari dancing with ridiculous cloths to wht we have seen the last album of Arif Baloch... directed by Dr. Hanif Shareef.. with excellent symbols on very good lyrics..

by the way.. there is good album by Ustaad Noral called" Ladingo"  a complete album for balochi marriage songs...

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Re: Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2009, 11:53:37 AM »
Listen omani songs they are way better then these. BTW Shair sharran Bas music or dhun ishani yek en wadan yan. Basit Baloch ha sense ya Singing and Music eh aahiye song wash teran.

Bazzag nu tao mara sarpad kane baluchi saaz o zemel chon ent? omani dozi kortagen sot an k ayea taha shair ani matlab chap o chot kanag boten gwashe shar ant k Bewakoopen BADU EN ARAB ani pem geshe BURO BAYA gwashe , nu tao gwashe k Baluchi soroz cheye? Nadsur cheeye? Baluchi shair cheeya? ya Zaheerok cheeye?

Nu tao mara sarpad kane MULLA FAZOL , KAMALAN wati shair ani taha che gwashan? kojam dastana kara? Kojam kohani nama gera o balochani bahadoriye touseep kana? Ya ama washen shapani o istal ani o sarden gwat ani zikar kana.... Nu tao mara sarpad kane, MAST TAWAKAL kaent? Shehmureed o hani kaent? Ya e KOHANI hamsapar,doust kayant? E shepank kaent k e kohani taha gardi ..... nu tao mara sarpad kane e koh che gwashan? che gap jana? hahahahaha hahahahha ahahahahaha

Jend tei napaken, Pakistan o iran e patto ent tao wati napaken dapa baed Balochani nama ham magar , Tao ech nazane o Baloch yek borzi,paki eye nam ent , tao ayea echbar sarpad bot nakane o Ame Balochi shair ant......

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Re: Balochi songs .....y so meaningless ???
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2009, 06:48:01 PM »
 [assalam]
Hahahaahhaha
Tao rast gushe brat Lion Of Desert, bale e mard a maghosh annu zar kant o pada ghushit maa
ida violation peh lainga e,

Listen omani songs they are way better then these. BTW Shair sharran Bas music or dhun ishani yek en wadan yan. Basit Baloch ha sense ya Singing and Music eh aahiye song wash teran.

waja baloushyno.1 tara Omani Balochi sout doust band tao amisha gush dar bale ma tara gappe gusha ke e Omani Balochi sout dura "Out Of Balochi Music" a, pame wasta isha gishter baloch a ni tuka inchu value nist.

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« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2009, 07:20:02 PM »
thnk u brothers  for ur views....

brother azad dazini ....ur rite ..we need to tk our new generations in d right path.....and out media  WILL definetly have an impact on dem.....

brother mazaar ...y dont u tell us d name of d singer..deres no harm as long as its true....

and brother gwadari ...i agree with u ...
omani songs are just as u mentioned...i loathe at dere voices.....but dey do gud noise in marriages....(anyways we're nt discussing which type...we're talking of all balochi songs in general ..)

and children acting in videos ...i too dont mind when they take roles of dramatising a marriage surmony with joy....
but some video's....
i duno hw many ..
but i saw one such video..
where a boy of 5 or so..was acting a role of a man in despair and sadness that his love had married sum1 else....i think kids are nt 2 be involved in serious matters of mature ppl .....instead,........,dere ussual way of goin 2 d seaside or in gardens is better ....

this sort of brings 2 me a feeling dat our singers are not AWARE...of the actual demand....

i feel its senseless wen d singers say ..MARKETS DEMAND...

dey never tried out making a kids album 2 know weather it will be in demand or not......

hmmmm.....
we'll have patiens till d day we get some sense in our artists :(:)


and i wish that we keep up to the subject of the topic discussed.... E|

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2009, 10:36:14 AM »

hahahahhaha Lion desert Man tara Baloch ha ni baraya ich nagosht man tara new generation e music e gosht Btw thanx for the kind words aur man tara ich bhi nagoshan Chiya topic close bith e ;) ya mani post delete bhi amishka. Tao bizeer wati surooz ha poshta 4 dada naach permahin with laado lado hahhahahahahhaha.

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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2009, 03:29:45 AM »
salam


1.if ppl say that this is the need of the market: the market did not sell anything else so that people could choose anything else.
for eg: a grocerry sells only yello apples, the people will buy only the yellow apples coz they have no other choice. but if they had a choice of red, green and yellow, then people would have a choice.then it would be right to decide what the market actually wants

2. i dont understand why the poets and singers, always interpret love as the relation between a girl and a boy. while love has a much deeper meaning than this, the love between a mother and her child, love b/w a married cuople, love in family , love to Allah , love of country ,love of nature, ....and so on ...

3. in the latest songs...they have been describing females more than required...sometimes even exceeding the limits of our culture....molk pa kobol borwan o kumar chamane tareef ache azaad nabi.....

4 in a album...a song mite be about the country  and its love ...at the same time, the next song is about**mana charse o man sharabe*

5.and as to omani songs, niether words nor tunes..spoiling the orignal songs...,,they themselves dont know wat they are saying ...

positive

1.it teaches new words

2.it avoids them from listening songs of other languages..(which mite be worse)

3.now balochi songs are usefull for marriages...
we thank those singers who sing for marriage sermoniesand we ask for more of them
**salooke echa machaar...sheepage ponzay bechar..nam huda mashala..ma saloka bara banoora** and its deicated to my brother ^^

your elder sis
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2009, 07:54:19 PM »
Salam BaaskaN. a very hot topic is going on!.

Here's my impartial opinion of the Balochi music here and Oman(Omaani Balochi).

Many times ago i started a post regarding creativity in Balochi music. I claimed that if i select 100 Balochi songs from different singers and different albums. I give my word, they are same. isn't it. I further said in that post that only the voice of the singer is different. Even though we have best benjo players, "drummers", suroz players also we have many great poets who bring life to a song! still they dont achieve what is called truly music.

if i talk about the Omaani Balochi Music, they have their unique dialect( i guess they just speak like people of Lyari. I tell you the reason, the reason is that, they, in most of the life lived with Non-Baloch people. This really affects they way we speak Balochi.)
i heard some of the songs from Oman. What they do, the lyrics they use are written by novice or people who are not poets. they arrange music better than here(here (in balochistan) the same pattern of playing instruments is followed which comes i guess from sindhi music). Omaani's have good singers (see the definition of singer))

I am not against Balochi music fused with hindi or western music at all. Golbang (Rustom and Abdiul Rahman Band) and Baasit baloch are really doing a great job. Do listen these two. My personal favorite is Golbang.


Many things i might have missed but for the time being its enough for now.

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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 12:45:16 AM »
Salam BaaskaN. a very hot topic is going on!.

Here's my impartial opinion of the Balochi music here and Oman(Omaani Balochi).

Many times ago i started a post regarding creativity in Balochi music. I claimed that if i select 100 Balochi songs from different singers and different albums. I give my word, they are same. isn't it. I further said in that post that only the voice of the singer is different. Even though we have best benjo players, "drummers", suroz players also we have many great poets who bring life to a song! still they dont achieve what is called truly music.

if i talk about the Omaani Balochi Music, they have their unique dialect( i guess they just speak like people of Lyari. I tell you the reason, the reason is that, they, in most of the life lived with Non-Baloch people. This really affects they way we speak Balochi.)
i heard some of the songs from Oman. What they do, the lyrics they use are written by novice or people who are not poets. they arrange music better than here(here (in balochistan) the same pattern of playing instruments is followed which comes i guess from sindhi music). Omaani's have good singers (see the definition of singer))

I am not against Balochi music fused with hindi or western music at all. Golbang (Rustom and Abdiul Rahman Band) and Baasit baloch are really doing a great job. Do listen these two. My personal favorite is Golbang.


Many things i might have missed but for the time being its enough for now.

Regards,


You are rightyyy . Btw Im talking about this kind Of omai songs not remakes Of Hina Hina.

http://www.youtube.com/v/rPr9ghEXRhE&hl=en&fs=1&